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	<title>Comments on: Gen Y panel at AIAA:  The Reaction</title>
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		<title>By: David Rei</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-8580</link>
		<dc:creator>David Rei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a contractor working in IT support with LSP at KSC for over 3 years, let me tell you that there have been NO opportunities for me to get a job with NASA. I thought this job would be a stepping stone, but it&#039;s been a dead end. I&#039;m basically doing menial customer service with a computer science degree. The NASA IT workers are all grayhairs and they&#039;re not going away any time soon. The contractors aren&#039;t much better- me and one other are the only two under 40 at our company here at the Center.

The space program is all about budget cuts, cancellation threats, and layoffs. People are only hired within the program. It&#039;s a sedentary, middle aged environment where most employees are just sitting around waiting for retirement. Also, they seem to return to contractors after retirement, so they can get paid to sit at meetings part time. I look around and notice everyone- engineers, programmers, managers, are all just staring at Outlook and PowerPoint all day. As a young person yearning to see (and change) the world, do I want this to be my future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a contractor working in IT support with LSP at KSC for over 3 years, let me tell you that there have been NO opportunities for me to get a job with NASA. I thought this job would be a stepping stone, but it&#8217;s been a dead end. I&#8217;m basically doing menial customer service with a computer science degree. The NASA IT workers are all grayhairs and they&#8217;re not going away any time soon. The contractors aren&#8217;t much better- me and one other are the only two under 40 at our company here at the Center.</p>
<p>The space program is all about budget cuts, cancellation threats, and layoffs. People are only hired within the program. It&#8217;s a sedentary, middle aged environment where most employees are just sitting around waiting for retirement. Also, they seem to return to contractors after retirement, so they can get paid to sit at meetings part time. I look around and notice everyone- engineers, programmers, managers, are all just staring at Outlook and PowerPoint all day. As a young person yearning to see (and change) the world, do I want this to be my future?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Curry</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 11:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll also agree with Allen that a place at the table is earned.  However, my experience as a contractor indicates that the place CAN be earned young.  The key is something both our generations are good at: Communicate.

Make presentations like this, ask questions, find answers to the questions the experienced people ask you, learn, learn, learn, and update the presentations with your new knowledge.

Respect is also important.  I consider myself fortunate to work with someone who worked on Dyna-Soar, and with people who made the Apollo program happen.  One of our great gifts is that we can take a high learning curve.  Do that.

I&#039;d also say that I see parallels to something that happened at my church.  We got a Young Adult Group together, which gave us something to share, build relationships, and connect.  Then we did a church service (the equivalent of your presentation), and suddenly were asked to become involved.  I think every year since then we&#039;ve had a Young Adult on the Board of Directors, several in all sorts of committees.

This website is one place to make connections. AIAA Young Professionals can be another resource.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll also agree with Allen that a place at the table is earned.  However, my experience as a contractor indicates that the place CAN be earned young.  The key is something both our generations are good at: Communicate.</p>
<p>Make presentations like this, ask questions, find answers to the questions the experienced people ask you, learn, learn, learn, and update the presentations with your new knowledge.</p>
<p>Respect is also important.  I consider myself fortunate to work with someone who worked on Dyna-Soar, and with people who made the Apollo program happen.  One of our great gifts is that we can take a high learning curve.  Do that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also say that I see parallels to something that happened at my church.  We got a Young Adult Group together, which gave us something to share, build relationships, and connect.  Then we did a church service (the equivalent of your presentation), and suddenly were asked to become involved.  I think every year since then we&#8217;ve had a Young Adult on the Board of Directors, several in all sorts of committees.</p>
<p>This website is one place to make connections. AIAA Young Professionals can be another resource.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Cowing</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Cowing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Gen X and agree with Allen&#039;s post. 

However, I do feel that a paradigm shift is at hand and while I agree that Gen Y needs to earn their place at the table, the concept of just what being at the table means is changing. 

In 1996 who would have thought that some ex-NASA guy could sit in his little condo and post things on a computer that would get him on national TV hundreds of times and allow him to personally tweak how NASA does things - daily?

I used to be the only one. It was fun - but a little lonely. Now there are hundreds - soon thousands - of people who can also do this. And the result of this will be ... ?

Like I said, &quot;being at the table&quot; is morphing. But that does not mean that Gen Y is entitled to a seat at whatever it morphs into simply because they feel left out. 

Every younger generation since the beginning of time has to fight to be heard. 

That&#039;s how human culture works.

However, therein lies and opportunity - and the path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Gen X and agree with Allen&#8217;s post. </p>
<p>However, I do feel that a paradigm shift is at hand and while I agree that Gen Y needs to earn their place at the table, the concept of just what being at the table means is changing. </p>
<p>In 1996 who would have thought that some ex-NASA guy could sit in his little condo and post things on a computer that would get him on national TV hundreds of times and allow him to personally tweak how NASA does things &#8211; daily?</p>
<p>I used to be the only one. It was fun &#8211; but a little lonely. Now there are hundreds &#8211; soon thousands &#8211; of people who can also do this. And the result of this will be &#8230; ?</p>
<p>Like I said, &#8220;being at the table&#8221; is morphing. But that does not mean that Gen Y is entitled to a seat at whatever it morphs into simply because they feel left out. </p>
<p>Every younger generation since the beginning of time has to fight to be heard. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how human culture works.</p>
<p>However, therein lies and opportunity &#8211; and the path.</p>
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		<title>By: Generation Y, what will we be known for in 50 years? : Space Space</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Generation Y, what will we be known for in 50 years? : Space Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please bear with this GenX input but here is a different perspective, and one you may not want to hear.  I saw the briefing by the NASA GenY employees and must say it was EXCELLENT!  If our colleges are turning out people that can communicate this well, then they are, at least, doing SOMETHING right.  Having said that, here goes.

1)  NO seat &quot;at the table&quot; is given, it must be earned.  I&#039;ve been in manned space over 20 years.  My seat at the table was not given, it was earned by taking my basic education, learning my job, thinking critically, and CONTRIBUTING ideas that helped accomplish the mission.  As the Boomers retire, I am finding my seat closer to the HEAD of the table and here is what I see relative to Gen Y.  Intelligent, communicative, free thinking, do not know when to shut up, no desire to &quot;stick with it&quot; through a long or tough project, out for instant gratification, easily bored, self-important, and generally only in it for themselves.

Much of these negative attributes ARE NOT GenY, they are true about youth in general, they were true about me at one time.

2)  The &quot;establishment&quot; is finding it rather difficult to take the GenY folks into their confidence.  GenY folks think that data and information is PUBLIC ACCESS (e.g. music file sharing) but large companies, in fact the entire capitalist system is built on finding a better idea, KEEPING it a secret until the right time, and making your million before any competitor can find a way to do it better and/or cheaper.  GenY seems to have a problem grasping this to some extent.  Where NASA plays, the &quot;sensitive data&quot; isn&#039;t sought by other companies, but by other governments, and not to make a better cake mixer either.

3)  GenY seems to be self-important.  For example, the expectation that they DESERVE a place at the table.  The Greatest Generation gave us a victory in WWI and an industrial country.  Boomers gave us CDs, microwaves, color TV, portable computers etc. Gen X is about to assume the reigns and we&#039;ll see what that group does with their time at the forefront.  THEN comes GenY.  NO, you are NOT building the next generation rockets, that effort is the swan song of the boomers and the &quot;coming of age&quot; of the GenX folks, I know, I work with them.  You are not yet at peak earning years, the youngest of you is just 8 years old.  By and large, the older groups are still footing the bill too.  So buck up and start earning your place at the table.  

You have potential, LOTS of it, and you WILL change the world one day, but you also have to realize that, while you may throw out some of our ways as antiquated, you will also find, to your astonishment, that many of them are worth keeping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please bear with this GenX input but here is a different perspective, and one you may not want to hear.  I saw the briefing by the NASA GenY employees and must say it was EXCELLENT!  If our colleges are turning out people that can communicate this well, then they are, at least, doing SOMETHING right.  Having said that, here goes.</p>
<p>1)  NO seat &#8220;at the table&#8221; is given, it must be earned.  I&#8217;ve been in manned space over 20 years.  My seat at the table was not given, it was earned by taking my basic education, learning my job, thinking critically, and CONTRIBUTING ideas that helped accomplish the mission.  As the Boomers retire, I am finding my seat closer to the HEAD of the table and here is what I see relative to Gen Y.  Intelligent, communicative, free thinking, do not know when to shut up, no desire to &#8220;stick with it&#8221; through a long or tough project, out for instant gratification, easily bored, self-important, and generally only in it for themselves.</p>
<p>Much of these negative attributes ARE NOT GenY, they are true about youth in general, they were true about me at one time.</p>
<p>2)  The &#8220;establishment&#8221; is finding it rather difficult to take the GenY folks into their confidence.  GenY folks think that data and information is PUBLIC ACCESS (e.g. music file sharing) but large companies, in fact the entire capitalist system is built on finding a better idea, KEEPING it a secret until the right time, and making your million before any competitor can find a way to do it better and/or cheaper.  GenY seems to have a problem grasping this to some extent.  Where NASA plays, the &#8220;sensitive data&#8221; isn&#8217;t sought by other companies, but by other governments, and not to make a better cake mixer either.</p>
<p>3)  GenY seems to be self-important.  For example, the expectation that they DESERVE a place at the table.  The Greatest Generation gave us a victory in WWI and an industrial country.  Boomers gave us CDs, microwaves, color TV, portable computers etc. Gen X is about to assume the reigns and we&#8217;ll see what that group does with their time at the forefront.  THEN comes GenY.  NO, you are NOT building the next generation rockets, that effort is the swan song of the boomers and the &#8220;coming of age&#8221; of the GenX folks, I know, I work with them.  You are not yet at peak earning years, the youngest of you is just 8 years old.  By and large, the older groups are still footing the bill too.  So buck up and start earning your place at the table.  </p>
<p>You have potential, LOTS of it, and you WILL change the world one day, but you also have to realize that, while you may throw out some of our ways as antiquated, you will also find, to your astonishment, that many of them are worth keeping.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Everingham</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Everingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to express my appreciation and support for CoLab and Open NASA activities.  Also, I think there is an opportunity that comes with this approach that I would like to propose.

To use Keith&#039;s analogy; we may be able to mint a new set of keys to NASA by becoming the cause of and conduit to the broad and deep seeded support of NASA from Gen Y at large, and it may be possible to do it on a relatively short time line.  By creating the opportunity for the NASA and the aerospace supporting segment of Gen Y (currently in the minority) to speak out to the rest of Gen Y, the relevance of NASA and exploration can be communicated.

Much like the Apollo program NASA astronauts and the teams of people supporting them inspired a whole generation (and more) to aspire for greatness in so many fields (not just space), we have the same opportunity here and now.  Gen Y is still finding its niche in society, and NASA has the opportunity to provide inspiration at an important time for all of Gen Y.

I think the efforts associated with CoLab and the others who spoke on the Gen Y panel at the 3rd Exploration Conference are on the right track for building a fan base that can include the majority of Gen Y.  If this were to happen, just as we are entering this exciting new era for space enterprise, the rest of the world can actually participate in the story as it unfolds.  So, thats my thought...inspiring all of Gen Y could be the key that opens the door to the entire solar system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to express my appreciation and support for CoLab and Open NASA activities.  Also, I think there is an opportunity that comes with this approach that I would like to propose.</p>
<p>To use Keith&#8217;s analogy; we may be able to mint a new set of keys to NASA by becoming the cause of and conduit to the broad and deep seeded support of NASA from Gen Y at large, and it may be possible to do it on a relatively short time line.  By creating the opportunity for the NASA and the aerospace supporting segment of Gen Y (currently in the minority) to speak out to the rest of Gen Y, the relevance of NASA and exploration can be communicated.</p>
<p>Much like the Apollo program NASA astronauts and the teams of people supporting them inspired a whole generation (and more) to aspire for greatness in so many fields (not just space), we have the same opportunity here and now.  Gen Y is still finding its niche in society, and NASA has the opportunity to provide inspiration at an important time for all of Gen Y.</p>
<p>I think the efforts associated with CoLab and the others who spoke on the Gen Y panel at the 3rd Exploration Conference are on the right track for building a fan base that can include the majority of Gen Y.  If this were to happen, just as we are entering this exciting new era for space enterprise, the rest of the world can actually participate in the story as it unfolds.  So, thats my thought&#8230;inspiring all of Gen Y could be the key that opens the door to the entire solar system.</p>
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		<title>By: Santiago</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Santiago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting Garth:  &quot;The question is not whether we CAN be heard. That’s actually easier than most people think. The question is what do we WANT. People realize how we are few in number and they realize how sparse and scattered and isolated we each may be. But we are scattered everywhere, at all levels, in all offices, in all organizations.

If all the next generation of explorers wants is fancier information technology, that can be done far more easily than going to the Moon. But somehow, once people stop thinking small about getting wikis and blogs and twitters, there must be some deeper policy proposal that they could envision.&quot;

Fantastic question/ challenge to pose!  This should probably be its own discussion, but...
I want:  1) the world to see space as humanity&#039;s future AND something realistic and here and now (&quot;we&quot; are going to the Moon) and be willing to work for that (this might entail education efforts, policy reform, all of the above) 2)  NASA--environment linkage to be clear.  Part of this &quot;want&quot; is wanting NASA to link to issues that are important to the public right now (i.e. the environment).

I&#039;m over my two cents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Garth:  &#8220;The question is not whether we CAN be heard. That’s actually easier than most people think. The question is what do we WANT. People realize how we are few in number and they realize how sparse and scattered and isolated we each may be. But we are scattered everywhere, at all levels, in all offices, in all organizations.</p>
<p>If all the next generation of explorers wants is fancier information technology, that can be done far more easily than going to the Moon. But somehow, once people stop thinking small about getting wikis and blogs and twitters, there must be some deeper policy proposal that they could envision.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fantastic question/ challenge to pose!  This should probably be its own discussion, but&#8230;<br />
I want:  1) the world to see space as humanity&#8217;s future AND something realistic and here and now (&#8220;we&#8221; are going to the Moon) and be willing to work for that (this might entail education efforts, policy reform, all of the above) 2)  NASA&#8211;environment linkage to be clear.  Part of this &#8220;want&#8221; is wanting NASA to link to issues that are important to the public right now (i.e. the environment).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m over my two cents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Garth Henning</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth Henning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I have an unusual seat on the action, but I see the massive contribution that the next gen folks are having. I don&#039;t want us to ask for a seat at the table, because in many ways WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. Do you all realize there have been large numbers of next gen&#039;ers involved in every major NASA strategic plan, strategic workforce study, architecture study (like ESAS), technical trade study, etc? There were a number of next gen&#039;ers on the team that wrote the actual document entitled &quot;The Vision for Space Exploration.&quot; No kidding.   

We may be few in number, but we are not a random sample. Each and every young person in the space business has a unique story about how they overcame great odds and defied the prevailing wisdom. They also had to have been brilliant and very very persistent. 

The question is not whether we CAN be heard. That&#039;s actually easier than most people think. The question is what do we WANT. People realize how we are few in number and they realize how sparse and scattered and isolated we each may be. But we are scattered everywhere, at all levels, in all offices, in all organizations.

If all the next generation of explorers wants is fancier information technology, that can be done far more easily than going to the Moon. But somehow, once people stop thinking small about getting wikis and blogs and twitters, there must be some deeper policy proposal that they could envision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I have an unusual seat on the action, but I see the massive contribution that the next gen folks are having. I don&#8217;t want us to ask for a seat at the table, because in many ways WE ALREADY HAVE ONE. Do you all realize there have been large numbers of next gen&#8217;ers involved in every major NASA strategic plan, strategic workforce study, architecture study (like ESAS), technical trade study, etc? There were a number of next gen&#8217;ers on the team that wrote the actual document entitled &#8220;The Vision for Space Exploration.&#8221; No kidding.   </p>
<p>We may be few in number, but we are not a random sample. Each and every young person in the space business has a unique story about how they overcame great odds and defied the prevailing wisdom. They also had to have been brilliant and very very persistent. </p>
<p>The question is not whether we CAN be heard. That&#8217;s actually easier than most people think. The question is what do we WANT. People realize how we are few in number and they realize how sparse and scattered and isolated we each may be. But we are scattered everywhere, at all levels, in all offices, in all organizations.</p>
<p>If all the next generation of explorers wants is fancier information technology, that can be done far more easily than going to the Moon. But somehow, once people stop thinking small about getting wikis and blogs and twitters, there must be some deeper policy proposal that they could envision.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Steinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talked about reaching out to the youth and Open NASA a little today on http://www.thespaceshow.com ... perhaps we can get someone on the show  Jessy .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talked about reaching out to the youth and Open NASA a little today on <a href="http://www.thespaceshow.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thespaceshow.com</a> &#8230; perhaps we can get someone on the show  Jessy .</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen Painting</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/02/28/gen-y-panel-at-aiaa-the-reaction/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen Painting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Delia!  Great post.  For those of you that weren&#039;t there, I also presented with Delia.  We did receive some excellent feedback immediately after we gave the presentation.  Some of it was just &quot;Hey, good job!&quot;, some of it was, &quot;Thanks for explaining my kids to me&quot;, and some of it was very constructive criticism.  All of which I was very thankful for!  It was such a great experience for me to meet so many other active gen y-ers.  I know that we have a long way to go and there is a lot that is still laid out in front of us, but I have seen that we have a great team of people that are ready and willing to make things happen.  
One thing that I do want to make mention of: A few people that I spoke to after the panel commented that they thought that Gen Y wanted a lot of things handed to them and that resulted in Gen Y-ers asking for a lot of things to change FOR them and not WITH them.  I hope that people come to understand that this is something that we want to change, but we are also willing to do the work to change.  We don&#039;t expect it to change for us, we just hope to work with the way things are and change them a bit.  However, we&#039;ll keep working and we&#039;ll demonstrate this rather than just saying it.  I can&#039;t wait to keep working with such an incredible group of people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Delia!  Great post.  For those of you that weren&#8217;t there, I also presented with Delia.  We did receive some excellent feedback immediately after we gave the presentation.  Some of it was just &#8220;Hey, good job!&#8221;, some of it was, &#8220;Thanks for explaining my kids to me&#8221;, and some of it was very constructive criticism.  All of which I was very thankful for!  It was such a great experience for me to meet so many other active gen y-ers.  I know that we have a long way to go and there is a lot that is still laid out in front of us, but I have seen that we have a great team of people that are ready and willing to make things happen.<br />
One thing that I do want to make mention of: A few people that I spoke to after the panel commented that they thought that Gen Y wanted a lot of things handed to them and that resulted in Gen Y-ers asking for a lot of things to change FOR them and not WITH them.  I hope that people come to understand that this is something that we want to change, but we are also willing to do the work to change.  We don&#8217;t expect it to change for us, we just hope to work with the way things are and change them a bit.  However, we&#8217;ll keep working and we&#8217;ll demonstrate this rather than just saying it.  I can&#8217;t wait to keep working with such an incredible group of people!</p>
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