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		<title>By: Mensah</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/03/13/the-larger-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Mensah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;My question is, “Before NASA goes off and tries to reach the rest of your generation, is it worthwhile? How many others among that 70-million-strong cohort can actually do the aerospace engineering (”rocket science”)?&lt;&lt;

Ah, now I understand your point; forgive me for misinterpreting you.  On the whole, I think the number of people who can do the &quot;rocket science&quot; is a fraction of the population, no matter how you decide to divide the population (age, race, sex, etc).  It doesn&#039;t mean, however, that the number of people who are at least interested, and thus can influence government to fund us, can&#039;t be increased.  

To comment about some of the previous statements made on this post:  I&#039;m not suggesting that NASA fire it&#039;s PAO office; I&#039;m also not suggesting that NASA hire some huge, trendy marketing firm (though I think having something along those lines implemented internally would definitely be a good thing).  

Mr. Mealling suggesting having NASA be more open and accessible to the work we do.  That&#039;s a great idea, but in most cases, access must be controlled or denied for the safety of the public as well as the operational and mechanical security of the various projects.  In most cases, the only public access to these projects is the information and science they produce after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;My question is, “Before NASA goes off and tries to reach the rest of your generation, is it worthwhile? How many others among that 70-million-strong cohort can actually do the aerospace engineering (”rocket science”)?&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Ah, now I understand your point; forgive me for misinterpreting you.  On the whole, I think the number of people who can do the &#8220;rocket science&#8221; is a fraction of the population, no matter how you decide to divide the population (age, race, sex, etc).  It doesn&#8217;t mean, however, that the number of people who are at least interested, and thus can influence government to fund us, can&#8217;t be increased.  </p>
<p>To comment about some of the previous statements made on this post:  I&#8217;m not suggesting that NASA fire it&#8217;s PAO office; I&#8217;m also not suggesting that NASA hire some huge, trendy marketing firm (though I think having something along those lines implemented internally would definitely be a good thing).  </p>
<p>Mr. Mealling suggesting having NASA be more open and accessible to the work we do.  That&#8217;s a great idea, but in most cases, access must be controlled or denied for the safety of the public as well as the operational and mechanical security of the various projects.  In most cases, the only public access to these projects is the information and science they produce after the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;I work with people my age (27) and younger who routinely make positive impacts on their group and NASA as a whole.&lt;&lt;

Good! Keep it up. On the whole, I&#039;ve found Gen Y a pleasant bunch of kids (I can say that as a grumpy old Xer) to work with. They&#039;re a lot more optimistic than I was at their age, even if I don&#039;t always appreciate the same cultural habits/interests.

Again, my concern wasn&#039;t about the Gen Yers within the space community now. My question is, &quot;Before NASA goes off and tries to reach the rest of your generation, is it worthwhile? How many others among that 70-million-strong cohort can actually do the aerospace engineering (&quot;rocket science&quot;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I work with people my age (27) and younger who routinely make positive impacts on their group and NASA as a whole.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Good! Keep it up. On the whole, I&#8217;ve found Gen Y a pleasant bunch of kids (I can say that as a grumpy old Xer) to work with. They&#8217;re a lot more optimistic than I was at their age, even if I don&#8217;t always appreciate the same cultural habits/interests.</p>
<p>Again, my concern wasn&#8217;t about the Gen Yers within the space community now. My question is, &#8220;Before NASA goes off and tries to reach the rest of your generation, is it worthwhile? How many others among that 70-million-strong cohort can actually do the aerospace engineering (&#8220;rocket science&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Mensah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mensah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BD,  

I think your argument is a valid one.  We have to prove ourselves worthy of a seat at NASA&#039;s communication table, but I also think you have to remember one thing:  the same people who control access also gave us our jobs.  Therefore, they must think we have, at the very least, the ability to make positive contributions, and I would agree.  I&#039;ve seen many members of Gen-Y given leadership opportunities at NASA very early in their careers, so I think we&#039;re living up to, and exceeding, many expectations thus far; and those people are not limited to the authors of this page.  Everyday, I work with people my age (27) and younger who routinely make positive impacts on their group and NASA as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BD,  </p>
<p>I think your argument is a valid one.  We have to prove ourselves worthy of a seat at NASA&#8217;s communication table, but I also think you have to remember one thing:  the same people who control access also gave us our jobs.  Therefore, they must think we have, at the very least, the ability to make positive contributions, and I would agree.  I&#8217;ve seen many members of Gen-Y given leadership opportunities at NASA very early in their careers, so I think we&#8217;re living up to, and exceeding, many expectations thus far; and those people are not limited to the authors of this page.  Everyday, I work with people my age (27) and younger who routinely make positive impacts on their group and NASA as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Gen xer and have found I am less interested in Nasa now than before for different reasons. This coming form a HUGE fan of the Apollo program.
So why do I now feel this way? 

When we go to places there is too much emphasis on &quot;Was or is there life&quot; and not enough on &quot;let&#039;s look all around as much of this planet as we can as fast as we can with both camera eyes and ears (microphones) and feeds everyone can see live to see if we find something cool we weren&#039;t expecting&quot;

The issue of life is obviously very important to some people lost in an old debate about religion versus science but frankly not to most people.
If we find life and it&#039;s a bacteria - guess what - it won&#039;t impress people! And guess what? most will think we brought it on the spacecraft at this point! 

However if you find an incredible spot to watch a europeon (as in moon not europe) sunset and you have a live mic capturing the sounds of the icy winds that will make a helluava lot more people interested in seeing more of that place with new probes and trips.

THE people who are PAYING for the trips want tourism - the science experiments get funded by the free ride the tourisim provides. People NEVER wanted to go to the moon to study the rocks. They wanted to see what it LOOKED like and the rockhounds got a free trip paid for by the public tourists. NEVER FORGET THAT.
NEVER FORGET THE APPEAL OF WEBCAM AND VIRTUAL REALITY VIA TELEPRESENCE. THAT&#039;S WHAT PEOPLE WANT!

Also I am tired of sending probes to planets without microscopes if you are looking for signs of life.
I have begun to believe scientists really don&#039;t want a final answer on whether or not there is life on mars. If they did they would send a damn microscope and absolutely positively look to see if their are bugs in the soil or not.

The viking landers did secondary tests which determined there could be life way back int he 1970&#039;s. why weren&#039;t we sure then? becuase they didn&#039;t have any microscops hooked to a video feed which could have shown us if microbes were creating the respone or some rock reaction! 

The latest rovers have found there was water on mars so there could have been life.

Yet I was amazed when I called JPL 2 years ago and found that even on the next mars lander we STILL will not be able to look at a bit of soil and really see it microscopically to see if anything moves if we heat it up!
ANOTHER WASTED TRIP AT THE COST OF BILLIONS to SEND A TRUCK TO DO WHAT THE ROVERS ALREADY DID!

COME ON!
STOP STALLING!

Find life or not and then spend our money building fast traveling aircraft or balloons with live COLOR cameras in stereoscopic vision that REALLY LET US EXPLORE THE DAMN PLANET. 
STOP FEEDING IT TO US PEICEMEAL TO GIVE YOURSELVES CAREER LONGEVITY!

Lastly - it is pretty hard to get excited about things that we have already done. 
Do I want to spend a bunch of money to go back to the moon with some people when I already saw that happen once? NO. DO I want to see a fast little rover or orbiting rocket feeding me closeups of the moon it goes over everyday so I can explore a whole new world - hell yes. 
DO I want to see more people floating in a tin can in orbit NO. No wyou put some real people up there and let them show us what life in space is really like and I might be interested and you would get better real science with 6 college kids of both sexes living in space than you would with a bunch of trained astronauts who are told not to do anything that might offend someone.

we want to see sex in space, real life in space, real views form space, a live camera looking down at the world in hdtv that we can pull up anytime. we want cameras on the mice in space and we want to know there names just like meerkat manor.
We want  SOMETHING NEW!

The problem is we have 50 and 60 year old people setting nasa goals who have old goals that were impressive we getting to space was the achievement.
now that we are there we need goals beyond getting there and more goals about doing interesting and fun things WE CAN ALL DIRECTLY PARTICIPATE IN WHEN THE SPACECRAFT ARE THERE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Gen xer and have found I am less interested in Nasa now than before for different reasons. This coming form a HUGE fan of the Apollo program.<br />
So why do I now feel this way? </p>
<p>When we go to places there is too much emphasis on &#8220;Was or is there life&#8221; and not enough on &#8220;let&#8217;s look all around as much of this planet as we can as fast as we can with both camera eyes and ears (microphones) and feeds everyone can see live to see if we find something cool we weren&#8217;t expecting&#8221;</p>
<p>The issue of life is obviously very important to some people lost in an old debate about religion versus science but frankly not to most people.<br />
If we find life and it&#8217;s a bacteria &#8211; guess what &#8211; it won&#8217;t impress people! And guess what? most will think we brought it on the spacecraft at this point! </p>
<p>However if you find an incredible spot to watch a europeon (as in moon not europe) sunset and you have a live mic capturing the sounds of the icy winds that will make a helluava lot more people interested in seeing more of that place with new probes and trips.</p>
<p>THE people who are PAYING for the trips want tourism &#8211; the science experiments get funded by the free ride the tourisim provides. People NEVER wanted to go to the moon to study the rocks. They wanted to see what it LOOKED like and the rockhounds got a free trip paid for by the public tourists. NEVER FORGET THAT.<br />
NEVER FORGET THE APPEAL OF WEBCAM AND VIRTUAL REALITY VIA TELEPRESENCE. THAT&#8217;S WHAT PEOPLE WANT!</p>
<p>Also I am tired of sending probes to planets without microscopes if you are looking for signs of life.<br />
I have begun to believe scientists really don&#8217;t want a final answer on whether or not there is life on mars. If they did they would send a damn microscope and absolutely positively look to see if their are bugs in the soil or not.</p>
<p>The viking landers did secondary tests which determined there could be life way back int he 1970&#8242;s. why weren&#8217;t we sure then? becuase they didn&#8217;t have any microscops hooked to a video feed which could have shown us if microbes were creating the respone or some rock reaction! </p>
<p>The latest rovers have found there was water on mars so there could have been life.</p>
<p>Yet I was amazed when I called JPL 2 years ago and found that even on the next mars lander we STILL will not be able to look at a bit of soil and really see it microscopically to see if anything moves if we heat it up!<br />
ANOTHER WASTED TRIP AT THE COST OF BILLIONS to SEND A TRUCK TO DO WHAT THE ROVERS ALREADY DID!</p>
<p>COME ON!<br />
STOP STALLING!</p>
<p>Find life or not and then spend our money building fast traveling aircraft or balloons with live COLOR cameras in stereoscopic vision that REALLY LET US EXPLORE THE DAMN PLANET.<br />
STOP FEEDING IT TO US PEICEMEAL TO GIVE YOURSELVES CAREER LONGEVITY!</p>
<p>Lastly &#8211; it is pretty hard to get excited about things that we have already done.<br />
Do I want to spend a bunch of money to go back to the moon with some people when I already saw that happen once? NO. DO I want to see a fast little rover or orbiting rocket feeding me closeups of the moon it goes over everyday so I can explore a whole new world &#8211; hell yes.<br />
DO I want to see more people floating in a tin can in orbit NO. No wyou put some real people up there and let them show us what life in space is really like and I might be interested and you would get better real science with 6 college kids of both sexes living in space than you would with a bunch of trained astronauts who are told not to do anything that might offend someone.</p>
<p>we want to see sex in space, real life in space, real views form space, a live camera looking down at the world in hdtv that we can pull up anytime. we want cameras on the mice in space and we want to know there names just like meerkat manor.<br />
We want  SOMETHING NEW!</p>
<p>The problem is we have 50 and 60 year old people setting nasa goals who have old goals that were impressive we getting to space was the achievement.<br />
now that we are there we need goals beyond getting there and more goals about doing interesting and fun things WE CAN ALL DIRECTLY PARTICIPATE IN WHEN THE SPACECRAFT ARE THERE.</p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/03/13/the-larger-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, NASA needs to reach out to Gen Y, as well as other audiences. However, it&#039;s not just a matter of Gen Y being brought to the table. The biggest gripes I hear on this subject are: What are you going to DO once you&#039;re given a seat? What will you contribute? Aside from being able to play video games, run rings around older folks on the Internet, and do slick marketing, can you do the engineering/science? I realize the folks on this page can. What about the rest of your peers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, NASA needs to reach out to Gen Y, as well as other audiences. However, it&#8217;s not just a matter of Gen Y being brought to the table. The biggest gripes I hear on this subject are: What are you going to DO once you&#8217;re given a seat? What will you contribute? Aside from being able to play video games, run rings around older folks on the Internet, and do slick marketing, can you do the engineering/science? I realize the folks on this page can. What about the rest of your peers?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Kugler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Kugler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mike,
NASA&#039;s Public Affairs Office already spends money on getting the word out.  If anything, we&#039;re advocating for figuring out ways to do that better with the resources already allocated.  Are you arguing that we should abolish PAO? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mike,<br />
NASA&#8217;s Public Affairs Office already spends money on getting the word out.  If anything, we&#8217;re advocating for figuring out ways to do that better with the resources already allocated.  Are you arguing that we should abolish PAO? <img src='http://www.opennasa.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Reeders</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/03/13/the-larger-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Reeders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found your site via the Wired article.  As a member of Gen Y, reading your presentation I felt both a little embarrassment about seeming so demanding and also pride in your audacity.  Gen X had the &quot;Melissa Manifesto&quot; and &quot;Cluetrain Manifesto&quot;.  This is ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found your site via the Wired article.  As a member of Gen Y, reading your presentation I felt both a little embarrassment about seeming so demanding and also pride in your audacity.  Gen X had the &#8220;Melissa Manifesto&#8221; and &#8220;Cluetrain Manifesto&#8221;.  This is ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody Goodman</title>
		<link>http://www.opennasa.com/2008/03/13/the-larger-picture/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Cody Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The public perception is that NASA doesn&#039;t do a lot &quot;for me.&quot; Those of us that are of Gen Y must spread the word about all the great things that NASA does. Word of mouth is the best form of advertising, and if anyone is going to be successful about recruiting the brightest and the best out there, then it is those of us who are a part of the mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The public perception is that NASA doesn&#8217;t do a lot &#8220;for me.&#8221; Those of us that are of Gen Y must spread the word about all the great things that NASA does. Word of mouth is the best form of advertising, and if anyone is going to be successful about recruiting the brightest and the best out there, then it is those of us who are a part of the mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t follow how anyone should expect a space industry to cater to them and arouse their interest any more than I would expect the automotive industry to buy me race tickets. If I wanted to build cars, I would go to Detroit.  Where NASA fails, is in market the breakthrough technology and inventions to the that got us to the moon and keep NASA as world leader in space and to show the general tax payer what they get for every 0.7 cents for every $1 the IRS collects. NASA needs highly motivated, bright, and interested people who want to be a part of something bigger than they are; not luke-warm paycheck collectors.  BTW - I am a proud and highly motivated Gen X, Kennedy Space Center Engineer who loves my job and figured out what I wanted to do at age 18. I also happened to have worked in the automotive industry and can tell you space is much more rewarding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I don&#8217;t follow how anyone should expect a space industry to cater to them and arouse their interest any more than I would expect the automotive industry to buy me race tickets. If I wanted to build cars, I would go to Detroit.  Where NASA fails, is in market the breakthrough technology and inventions to the that got us to the moon and keep NASA as world leader in space and to show the general tax payer what they get for every 0.7 cents for every $1 the IRS collects. NASA needs highly motivated, bright, and interested people who want to be a part of something bigger than they are; not luke-warm paycheck collectors.  BTW &#8211; I am a proud and highly motivated Gen X, Kennedy Space Center Engineer who loves my job and figured out what I wanted to do at age 18. I also happened to have worked in the automotive industry and can tell you space is much more rewarding.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I am even more confused by your GenY goals now. do you want NASA to hire a hip hig priced PR firm to get people interested in space? what are they PBS where they have to beg for $ every quarter? sure it would great if people were more enthusiastic about the space program, but this isn&#039;t a GenY specific issue. Heck by Apollo 13 the public didn&#039;t care about the program that was putting people on the moon until the explosion (and they didn&#039;t have the distraction of 500 channels and the internet). I still don&#039;t think NASA should be spending it&#039;s limited budget $ to chase the next new way to get it&#039;s message out. what works for you and your twitter generation, would seem like a monkey on crack randomly typing on a keyboard to the older folks. Until NASA has to get its budget directly from public sponsorship or the American public starts tuning in more to shuttle launches than the latest Survivor series, who cares let the agency be. Let them focus on completing the ISS construction, working on the next generation vehicle and continuing to expand our understanding of the planet and the solar system. Every dollar they spend on getting their message out with some flashy new fangled web service or PR campaign is another dollar taken from already cash strapped programs. let the individuals like you folks who understand the technology do it on your own time, don&#039;t mandate that the agency do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I am even more confused by your GenY goals now. do you want NASA to hire a hip hig priced PR firm to get people interested in space? what are they PBS where they have to beg for $ every quarter? sure it would great if people were more enthusiastic about the space program, but this isn&#8217;t a GenY specific issue. Heck by Apollo 13 the public didn&#8217;t care about the program that was putting people on the moon until the explosion (and they didn&#8217;t have the distraction of 500 channels and the internet). I still don&#8217;t think NASA should be spending it&#8217;s limited budget $ to chase the next new way to get it&#8217;s message out. what works for you and your twitter generation, would seem like a monkey on crack randomly typing on a keyboard to the older folks. Until NASA has to get its budget directly from public sponsorship or the American public starts tuning in more to shuttle launches than the latest Survivor series, who cares let the agency be. Let them focus on completing the ISS construction, working on the next generation vehicle and continuing to expand our understanding of the planet and the solar system. Every dollar they spend on getting their message out with some flashy new fangled web service or PR campaign is another dollar taken from already cash strapped programs. let the individuals like you folks who understand the technology do it on your own time, don&#8217;t mandate that the agency do it.</p>
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